The Blog Debate
You guys love to debate so here is one that is going to take us into the new year. Since we are heating up for the presidential primaries I am thinking this debate is going to sound like the current advertisements for various candidates. You have till January 16,2008 to leave a reply.
Which historical figure had better ideas for the new nation, Hamilton or Jefferson? Don’t forget to explain why you think so, include why the other guy is not your choice if you would like.
New picture is of John Hanson (for my 5th period) 
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oooo hamilton all the way. he was cute in the crossing!!!
but actually, in real life i think i would aggree with hamilton, the cutie, (even if mrs.eakin said he really wasn’t that cute) because he has a point with the educated wealthy people being able to run the government better. they have more time, and more brains, than the other people. I AM NOT SAYING WEALTHY PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS EDUCATED OR VICE VERSA. I AM ALSO NOT SAYING POOR PEOPLE CANT RUN A GOVERNMENT.
oops entered too quick…
i just knew someone would say that i was just being stuck up or aristocratic or something that im not so i decided to insure myself against it.
i’d also like to add that the educated part is mostly all that matters.
Very nice, you have us off with a running start, bravo. But one question…didn’t you look at the pictures I attached? Hamilton is on the left, is he still ‘the cutie’? hmmmm… what do the rest of you think about this?
Of the two pictures, I must support Mr. Hamilton due to the fact that he looks happier, and more self-confident, two important attributes to anyone of good mental health (I am sure I am not alone in preferring a sane person to rule my nation of residence; I wish our current commander-in-chief fit that description).
Also, in acquiescence to Francesca, Hamilton’s views were in the best interest of the hoi polloi, even if that meant having more educated people look after them. His ideas for growing the United States (and consequently its people) can be likened to that of raising a child. A child is born tabula rasa (i.e. with a clean slate). Infants’ best interests involve smarter people raising them until they are of age, and intelligence, to care for themselves. Hamilton knew that in the generations succeeding his own, the general public would be smarter as a whole, and therefore better able to care for themselves. However, they would never reach that point without the proper can from the start. Hamilton rightly realized that it was a necessary evil(though perhaps he did not see it that way, but whatever) to entrust this government to the only people he felt were suited for the job― the Aristocracy.
In hindsight, I realized that I did not justify my disenchantment to Mr. Jefferson other than insulting his picture. BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE. It should be remembered that Jefferson was an aristocrat (like the vast majority of our well-known historical figures) from the rather large state of Virginia. He had in the past most likely supported the Virginia Plan for legislative configuration, and being born into Virginian agrarian aristocracy, definitely had slaves. Would not he negatively influence our government with these ideas??
The magical thing about history is we know that whatever he did, we are all here, with considerable liberty, to argure about it which meant he was not all bad. As well, when it was his call to engage the French military in response to the XYZ Affair, he smartly chose to downplay the occurrence, knowing that our American forces were no match for the French. Mr. Hamilton, for all of his attractive (no pun intended) features, supporting declaring war on France. Had he been our chief executive, would we still be America today, or “la colonie de la nouvelle France?”
Well in my eyes, I think they were both outstaning. That dude Mr.Hamilton put in the most work. But our society thanks Ben Franklin showed more. Haha 100 dollar bill instead of 50..hahah.Mr.H had good judgement with how a goverment should be run and who should run it. Thats how our goverment is run today. Well if anyone thinks that Jefferson was better they can say it to my face and we can have a little brawl…Well I’m gonna post about 6 more blogs. But I’m gonna wait till we get back to school so I can leaarn more..My brain cells are not working..I’m in love with this kid who’s like 5′3, really smart,runs track,likes to party,loves Jalessa Blackshear,obssed with rats,he is Jewish and attracts girls with his crazy yammickas(spelled that wrong) but he’s all mine…hhhaha who is he….Mrs.Eakin is the best..<3
Ok, first of all, let me start by saying Happy New Year everyone. Personally I would have to support Hamilton *or Hammy as I like to call him* Hammy had the interests of the nation at heart. If he had given power to the poor uneducated folks, we would not be the country we are today. (we would probably be going around saying things like “Hey ya’ll, les go gitus som flapjacks!”) Looking back at Hamilton now, it seems like he was economically discriminating, but he actually wasn’t. Also, Hammy supported a more industrial economy. This helped the economy of the northern states that did not have readily available farming. GO HAMMY!!!!
Ok, now to bash on poor Jeffyboy.
First of all, in te picture he looks totally creepy! Like stalkerish almost. Second, he wanted the masses to run the government. And do we really want a Cleetus to run our government? Or even a Bush? *oh snap… me: 1 Bush: 0… I WIN!* Jeffyboy also supported a strong State government, and a weak Federal government. This doesn’t make any sense to me, if the states held that much power, things would just go down the drain in minutes. Next thing you know, some states will feel opposed to others, and they will wanna become their own countries, and then we’ll have 50 wars going on at the same time. I dont think Jeffyboy thought it through.
Okay, to agree with Franki, Hamilton was cuter, and not just in the movie. Compare those two pictures up there and Jefferson just looks like he’s going to barf or something along those lines.
On a different and a more educated note, it is really just choosing the lesser of two evils. I agree with more of Hamiltion’s ideas and disagree with less of Jefferson’s. Nobody is going to be 100% happy with either of their policies, except the one who made it up.
Uhh…I’ll probably add more later. I can’t really remember may notes since they’re sitting in my binder in my mom’s room. =)
I believe it’s spelled yarmulke, or something close to that, J.
Actually, I’m not quite ready to respond to this one, I was reading everyone else’s to see what you did first. Right now I’m leaning towards Hamilton, but I’ve gone too long without school, and my brain isn’t functioning properly…
It is spelled yarmulke, but Jews just call it a kippah. However, that definitely is irrelevant here. I have realized that I have erred massively in my former statement (I told y’all that I make mistakes, they are just weirder than most). When America was faced with the “quasi-war” with France, Hamilton did support an all out war with them, but it was not Jefferson’s wisdom that saved us; it was president Adams. However, Hamilton still demonstrated bad judgement as a tactician, in my opinion. Luckily, it wasn’t his call. Finally, I make no comment on my love of Ms. Blackshear (or lack thereof). Don’t get any ideas!!
I would say Hamilton had better ideas for the new nation. I think Hamilton was more of a futuristic thinker trying to make things better for our future unlike Jefferson who was comfortable with decisions made in the past. I feel Hamilton was bettering the nation with things like his economic plan which was to get the country out of extreme debt. Hamilton also supported a strong central government which i feel is needed for a nation to be powerful. He also supported industry which would make the country more independent and respected. All in all i think Hamilton had better ideas on how to make the country improve for the present and future.
By looking at the pictures, i would agree that Hamilton is the much better looking of the two. However a book should never be judged by it’s cover. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and i am happy that Jefferson still fought against Hamilton’s beliefs. If we didnt have people in this nation with different veiws, our government would not be the same. I must say that i agree mostly with Hamilton’s veiws though. I believe that the difference of wealthy beings over poor beings is not the trait that should be choosen to run a government. There are kids who may not be wealthy, but go to college for free due to their smarts. But i do agree with the fact that you deffinitly need intelligence to run a government, and mostly in that time, along with the wealthy, came intelligence and education. Much of the poor then did not have educations. I think Hamilton had a type of thinking for the future and the true well-being of our government, and i thing jefferson lacked that thinking.
Okay, I’ve made my decision!
I pick Hamilton. Not only because, as everyone else said, he is the better looking of the two. (Doesn’t that matter? Isn’t that why Kerry lost to Bush, because Bush was very un-creepy-looking in comparison to Kerry? Not that that’s relevant at all…)But also because his ideas about who should be running the government. I really liked Rick’s analogy about our country being like a child, and it needed to be raised before it could just jump up and be one of the “adult countries” (like Britain and France) In order for that to work, they needed educated, well-formed people, and back then, there really was no choice than those who had money. The majority of the people back then were not only not very well educated, but they also tended to be more easily misinformed. All they had was written word. (and I guess occasional live appearances, but those wouldn’t really apply to the majority of people) I think that Hamilton knew that it might not have to be the Aristocracy that had most power in the government forever, but I think he knew that the people would always have to be educated.
And Rick, stop being so mean to Jalessa.
After looking at the pictures and comparing these two men, i would have to say that my decision stands with Hamilton for the most part. Some issues that came up in our notes i lean towards Jefferson. For example, I would choose to have a strict interpretation of the constitution (Jefferson) than a loose interpretation(Hamilton). But most of Hamilton’s ideas see smarter to me. I support the fact that we need a strong national government with excise tax to pay for necessary governmental things. The government should alwaysw be run by educated men…or women, but they do not necessarily have to be rich. Wealthiness is not a sign of political intelligence. There is one other thing i do not agree with Hamiltonon, and that is the french revolution. Jefferson is right on that, we do need something like the revolution for the good health of the society. My vote, as you read, lies with Hamilton.
By the way, how can you say one of them is cuter than the other? Were u looking at the pictures when you typed that Franki? And if you were, thats kinda weird.
yeah so i just looked at Erica’s comment on Hamilton about him being cute not just in the movie, and now i have nothing to say about that.
And Jalessa, you are having so much fun on these blogs with half of your posted comment is about Rikki.Haha. Have fun with those six other comments.
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Brett, I put that on there because me and my mom were arguing about it. it was just to prove her wrong. And it was to add on to Franki’s.
I think I would have agreed with Hamilton, with his plans for a structured government and a plan to launch a bank, he was the one who thought their plans through the most. Hamilton did not discriminate the poor and uneducated, and he did not favor the wealthy and intelligent, the fact is he knew who would be the most effective people to run the government of a new country. (By the way..neither of them are cute. seriously. haha)
Jefferson did not thouroughly think his ideas for a new government completely through. I have no idea how “the masses” could have possibly run our government effectively. Also, I don’t agree with strong state governments for one reason, even back then, 13 state governments would be extremely difficult to deal with, what with each probably claiming superiority over the others. It just would not be good…
I agree wuth every one besides Ricky..Hamilton was not a dude with bad judgement. Yes like you said in your blod everyone makes mistakes, but it is those who fix so know one notices them or remembers. But nothing get’s past Ricky..hahah NOTHING. But my love for the 5′3 kid has terminated up to this moment. I would like to give a shout out to..EEricaa….Jackkiiee..and The Douglass twins..Sammy and Bretty-cakes
Not to be another voice in the crowd or anything, but I would have to go with Hamilton. It took me a while to admit it, but he is the better choice. Being a hopeless idealist, I was at first horrified that Hamilton would have the country run by the aristocracy. After fighting a war so that America could be a democracy, he would hand power over to the rich and well-connected? We would be right back where we started with England, we would be a democracy in name only. But then I snapped myself back to reality. The wealthy were the only ones who had an opprotunity at education. Of course, money does not equal intelligence (as our current government makes perfectly clear) but handing leadership to the aristocracy was early America’s best chance at survival. As much as I hate to admit it, Hamilton was right. Many years have passed, however, since our good friend Alex proposed this plan of government. Now education is available to most people (though having money does increase ones chances of breaking out of the working-class duldrums that our education system is built to create exponentialy) yet our government is still run by the rich and well-connected. Welcome to America, folks.
Firstly, let me just say there are a lot of low blows in this thread. Not only at Hamilton and Jefferson, but even our current president, who is completely irrelevant to the OP :P.
Well, after careful deliberation, I must say that I find that Hamilton had the better ideas for the new nation. Though he had an elitist facade, Hamilton was just much better and waayyy more passionate when it came to economics. And if the old idiom is true, and “money makes the world go around,” Hamilton had greater views for America on a global scale, even if that meant he had to be a bit of an elitist, it was for the better of the country, and I think it can be countered with the fact he saw slaves as equals, and was a strong abolitionist. (By the way, the large picture on Wikipedia is more flattering to both men).
I don’t really have anything bad to say about Jefferson. Although he didn’t seem to be better for the country than Hamilton, he proved to be a pretty good leader and not many regretful things seem to have happened in his term.
So, in conclusion, I lean to Hamilton’s side, because he had the better ideas for a budding country. But that is not to say that Jefferson is not good, he’s more of a “come in with a winning team” person, versus “grab the advantage early” Hamilton.
You know what i think? i dont think this is much of a debate because no one is sticking up for Jefferson! So i guess i’ll make this a real debate. Jefferson was a great thinker for his time. He wasn’t thinking for the future because something had to be done for that second. He was also our 3rd president sooo i guess i just beat y’all. ummmm ummmm i ran out of things to say for Jeff. soo i guess ill talk bad on Hamilton (or Hammy if you prefer). Hamilton was a bad egg. he was wrong in thinking that we needed more education for the moment because it takes a long time to make people learn stuff. ok this is really hard so let’s just say i win you lose and there’s nothing you can do about it.
p.s. this is not how i actually feel, i was just sticking up for the guy who was president so i don’t get arrested for mutiny. j/k see ya today in classe! au revoir!
Interesting twist there Stephanie. To choose to argue for a side even if you don’t agree is a skill you must all learn (especially any would-be-lawyers out there). Keep it going.
I think that I’ll have to go with Hamilton because he’s on the bigger money$$.
No really though I choose Hamilton over Jefferson. It’s always a good idea to pay off debts and Hamilton was all for that. He wanted to give foreign countries a reason to trust us with trade. Banks are also a good idea. So once again Hamilton has my vote.
That’s 13-1. Hammy* wins!!! Steph ya just had to go against the flow.
I have to agree with Daniela when she describes the would be America. EXCEPT what’s wrong with pancakes? They’re awsome. Becca you are sooo right. They’re both UG-A-LY.
In Jefferson’s defense he did invent Mac&Cheese and who doesn’t love Mac&Cheese!
Jefferson invented Mac&Cheese?
Chosing between Hamilton and Jefferson is difficult, both had excellent ideas for the future of our nation, but I feel Hamilton’s were a bit more benefictiary. Jefferson’s propositions to strengthen states individually was fine, but I beleive Hamilton’s hopes for a stronger central government was important to the nation as a whole. I chose Hamilton because of his ideas for a strong central government; one nation sharing common goals.I feel that a balanced government of unified strength from individual powes is important to any nation, and I beleive hamilton could make that more possible than Jefferson could.
HAMILTON ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!! The thought of Jefferson getting into office would have frieghtened me! At the time we were a new nation and I strongly believe that debts ALWAYS need to be payed off ASAP! That was not at the top of Jefferson’s list. Hamilton’s idea for a national bank was genious!
I also have to agree that there is no way that “the masses” could run this country! With so many varying opinions our government would be crazy! Hamilton was right when he said we needed the educated individuals to run this new country. I’m not so sure that everyone needs to be wealthy to participate in polotics but i do agree with his idea that they do need to be educated!!!!!!
PS. And what was Jefferson thinking when he thought that we should have strong state governments!!????!!
O and by the way NIETHER of them are cute! What are u girls thinking???? ~ I had to!! haha
Since this counts as a grade, I got to go with Hamilton, but my heart lies with John Handsome Hanson. No lie, he was the more influential first president of our nation out the two of them.(The other being that Washington dude that no one has ever heard about.) Hamilton just reminds me a little bit more of Pres. Hanson, so I gotta go with him. He had the same wig maker even(look it up Mrs. Eakin, I dare you) and his ideas were all beneficial towards the future of a youing nation. Jefferson is pretty much the cow that sits on the farm. All he will acomplish in life is eating more grass than Homer drinks beer(reference to the Simpsons, not the old dude). However, Hamilton is the machine who will replace the fat, overweight cow that Jefferson is, and furthermore lead this country to the great peacful state that our country is in today(joke, don’t hurt me). All I’m sayin’ is that Burr took a cheap shot like Serra, but he’s still the man cause he took it like a man.(Another joke).tiki tiki ta ta rest.
Like everyone said, Hamilton is the better of the two. His ideas really portrayed the nation’s needs in comparison to Jefferson’s. I’ll admit, Jefferson’s ideas did sound great, but slightly unrealistic. Also, they didn’t really do much for the nation. Hamilton was right about the educated, wealthy people running the country. I’m not being racist against poor people (lol), but it does make sense to have the educated leading the nation. His support of an industrial economy was smart, knowing that not all parts of the US used farming mainly for money. Overall, he was very smart, determined, and in it for the welfare of our country. Sweet~
Poor Jeffy, left in the dust.
Well i havent been on this since i started the cute thing and yeah guys, hamilton was super duper cute and even in those pictures he beats jeferson by a mile. and cute people are usually more successful and better leaders anyway (that really is fact!) so Hamilton still wins even if his thought process only rivled that of a potato. And if anyone is wondering a potato has relatively no thought process, and this can be proved by the fact that potatoes do not have legs. if they thought hard enough they could evolve and grow legs.
FACT:
Hamilton was smarter, better looking and more realistic than Jefferson.
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Only The Good Die Young. Thats why he had to die. Burr killed him because Hamilton was actually an angel.
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Jess walker goes out with Dan Snyder, therefore her cute-o-meter must be on the fritz anyway.
lol just kidding jess, dan is probably way cuter than hamilton. but sam beats both of them so, da na-na-na, na na, na na, can’t touch this.
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I <3 this blog!!!
and Stephen Colbert should be the next president, have you had his ice cream????? holy cow not treated with rBGH!!!! Ben and Jerry’s Stephen Colbert’s Americone Dream has vanilla ice cream with fudge covered waffle cone pieces and a caramel swirl.
“I’m not afraid to say it. Dessert has a well-known liberal agenda. What I hope to do with this ice cream is bring some balance back to the freezer case.”- Colbert
dude, LOVE that guy and would like to add that i am currently enjoying that tasty potion of conservatism with a silver spoon in my mouth. (pun intended)
WOW.
FIRST of all Francesca kills the world at this blogging thing. (you gotta stop that Franki) and
SECOND of all Sam killed my stomach because i was laughing too hard at his to read anyone else’s. : )
Anyway… it’s my turn now.
Okay. Basically both these guys are truely AMAZING. I mean, I have to give props to anyone from the 1800’s that made them self stick out so much that we’re still talking about them today. Come on no T.V. and no cell phones, no internet, no texting how the heck is the word getting spread about them??? i’ll tell you why, because they were AMAZING and everyone just knew that.
Honestly between the two i would choose… Hamilton.
He was just trying to make sense while Jefferson on the other hand was just trying to get the vote. They are both politicians so they are going to have to lie somehow… but Hamilton didn’t beat around the bush. He knew the only way our country could pick itself up and wipe the dirt from it’s knees was to become strong and show the only countries who was boss. It all makes sense, the strong centralized government, the industrial economic system, and of course the support of the Bank of US… It wasnt what people wanted to hear but it was what was best for the country.
Hamilton… You da man!
WOOOHOO!!!
i do have to back Rachel up.
Ben did the Mac & Cheese thing all the way.(Mrs. Sundstrum told us) ( I LOVE baking!!!)
He was a good guy. just not fit for this position.
JOHN HANDSOME HANSON WAS THE FIRST AND BEST PRESIDENT EVER!!!!!!! But between the two mediocore canidates i have to choose from, i would pick Hamilton. Hamilton is trying to benefit this young nation. Jefferson is just being an old boring man trying to keep everthing the same.[YAWNN]. But Hamilton is trying to liven things up in the young U.S. Also i favor Hamilton because he wanted a National Bank. A National Bank is great for a new country.
The only reason Hamilton didnt win is because he got Shot by that man who screwed up my life, AAron Burr. Too bad hamilton isnt 50 Cent. But My love has to lie with JOHN HADSOME HANSON.
Franki.. you are interesting.
Anyway, I think that Hamilton had better ideas for the new nation. Although it might sound a little unfair, it is certainly necessary to have wealthy, educated people run our government. They would know how to raise money easier and just know how to run a government better in general, due to their educations. Also, Hamilton wanted a stronger federal government, which made way more sense than having strong state governments. No offense to Jefferson, but having strong state governments would cause the nation to destroy itself, rather than build itself up. There would barely be any control over the states and they would eventually end up fighting with eachother. Hamilton’s industrial standpoint gives him my vote too. He obviously knew that the new nation needed to grow and become strong, and that was the way to do it. Jefferson’s agricultural standpoint just doesn’t seem like it would lead to anything.
Okay so i totally have to agree with Franki and say that Hamilton is a total babe. I would have to go with hamilton because he wants a strong federal goverment.. I really don’t like the whole agricultural thing that jefferson was going for. Hamilton was looking out for the nation and the success of the US. Jefferson just wanted to keep rich, educated people out of goverment and let the farmers decide….dont get me wrong i love my veggies, but farmers can only grow so much. But building up the federal gov would definatly benefit in the long run. Hamilton also wanted a national bank. Bank = money, money = happy people. YAY!!!! so i totally vote for the hottie, as Daniela called him, Hammy, he is my man… I would def pick hammy.
out of the two, Hamilton and Jefferson, i would probably be on the side of Hamilton. i believed he thought about the future of the nation more then Jefferson had. Hamilton wanted the educated to run the government, as i am sure most other people in the world would want… i know that i would not want someone who can’t even run their own life to run my government. Also hamiltons idea of strenghtening our central government was more benificial (sp?) to our nation then making the individual states stronger. I think that as a nation it is muy importante to have everyone work together toward something, instead of having super strong individual states who are all working by themselves. so basically… Hamilton = :]
This might sound like everybody else but…………………..Hamilton wins it! He had a better outlook on the government and in my opinion had better experience. He new what kind of new nation we needed. He was going to try to get us out of debt. He beleived in a strong cemtral government and he just knew what he was talking about. Jefferson dwells on the past while hamilton looks at the possibilities for the future. and since i don’t like to dwell on the past, i think hamilton had it together. In order to be a good leader you have to know what your talking about and in order to know what your talking about you have to be well educated. so education is definetly a biggy on the list of important things in a government leader. Plus hamilton has a wise way of thinking so he looks at things at a different angle than jefferson. No matter how wealthy or poor, if you beleive in yourself you can accomplish almost anything you want.Hamilton knew this. Hamilton knew what was best for our government, period.
P.S. Ms. Eakin i really like this whole blogging thing. You should count these as a quiz! (j.k.)
hey guys.. ok i deffinately think Mr. Hamilton would have to be my choice, and I agree with Franki that he was so much cuter in the “Crossing.” haha. But being serious now..I Chose him because I believe he had a full hearted passion for the nation over Jefferson. Hamilton had big, successful plans for the government. His ideas made more sense and he stayed committed to his word. I also believe the citizens of the nation then looked up to Hamilton more than Jefferson. Hamilton thought ahead to what would improve not only the present day, but the future as well. He made it a goal to get the nation out of their war debt which was outrageously large. He wanted our nation to be independent and resourceful. Jefferson lacked all the positives of Hamilton. He never thought ahead and just thought day to day. In all, Hamilton is the better of the two.
Okay, to finish my arguments from 15 days ago…
Hamilton supported a strong central government while Jefferson only supported strong state government. Weak central gov’t and strong state gov’t had already been proven not to work which is why the Constitution was written and ratified. Hamilton believedc that the wealthy and educated (back then if you were educated you weren’t usually poor) should run the gov’t, Jefferson believed that that job was for the masses. If you are educated, you can make educated decisions, but if it is the masses, they can be swayed by a charismatic speaker, which wouldn’t be a good descision in support. Jefferson had a strict interpretation of the gov’t, which would mean that every power that the constitional convention wanted to give to the branches of gov’t was in those documents. BUt a loose interpretaion is needed (Hamilton) because not everything is set in stone, and the people at the convention knew that. Hamilton supported the protective tariff, which protects american industries and american market. Jefferson oppesed the tariff, and i don’t really know why because it would probably help farmers too. Jefferson opposed the exices tax because it would hurt the lower classes, but how else is the gov’t supposed to get money to run the counrty? (Hamilton supported the tax) Hamilton believed that the Bank of the US was constitutional and supported it. And once the banks were insured by the federal gov’t, after the panic of 1819, banks were a good idea and are thriving today. Jefferson opposed the banks.
Now that i look, I think that Jefferson opposed a lot of these ideas just because Hamilton supported them. Why else would he opposed the protective tarill and the bank? W/e. So I finally gave my reasons for supporting Hamilton.
Careful folks I didn’t intend to give you the wrong impression - insured bank deposits didn’t go into effect until after the great depression of the 1930’s (USII stuff), but your argument still holds about the banks Erica.
alright well i am going to have to say that being the last person to enter a comment makes me feel a little guilty but i also learned from all the different points everyone else made so its a good thing to. I personally think that whoever is thinking either of these guys are cute is gross!! they’re both UGLY! However i have to go with Hamilton as the best man for the job because i think it is very important to pay off old debts so that we can get some trust from the other nations around the world. I also think it was cool that he thought intelligent people should run the country but i don’t think it matters if the y were rich or poor because you can be totally smart and not have any money. Smarts is what we need to run the country not the amount of money you have. Hamilton wins!!!
I would like to agree with Rikki and Frankie way back at the beginning of this very long blog. Hamilton was the best choice for the start of the nation. Although Jefferson played his part well, I believe that Hamilton saw that the nation would get a boosted start if it had brains and money running it, whereas if the government had too many uneducated in it we might have ended up learning certain things the hard way, such as how to apply tariffs. With brains and money in charge, we were assured that people who at least knew the basics of economy, and how to run one properly. With uneducated people suppling the majority of votes, who knows, we could have ended up with a democracy not a democratic republic, that could be bad. Anything would have been possible, because without education, it would be very easy to forget about things related to government that we had already learned from other cultures from the Greeks to the British. For example we may not have heeded the warning that a Republic requires a population of virtuous people, and that might not be the case with the uneducated in charge.
Without a doubt, Jefferson had the most plausible ideas for the new nation. Just as the United States operates today, Jefferson believed in a limited federal government that was supported by the collective force of the states’ individual governments. He understood that the constitution must be abided by as it was written; otherwise, that nation would agitate its own foundation. Conversely, Hamilton believed in a loose interpretation of the constitution, which would surely disrupt the smooth operation of government. Finally, my last reason for choosing Jefferson is that he knew that everyone should have a say in the outcome of government action, as opposed to Hamilton who cared for only the educated and wealthy should run the country. Today, the United States functions almost identically with how Jefferson foresaw it, and not how Hamilton fantacized.
I believe Hamilton would have been a better president. He seemed to see this new country the same way the forefathers did. He also had great ideas that would have helped our country out alot. Plus, he knew George Washington ppersonally. Jefferson was a little too closed minded about what our country could do within the guidelines of the Constitution. On another note, I agree with Amanda. To whoever thought they were cute… your crazy!!!
Okay, first, I wanna know, is why were all judging old guys, haha. Personally I think they are both hideous and old!!! I find it quite funny. I never would have imagined that is where this blog would have gone. NEVER. but anyways..
I do believe that Hamilton would have been a better president. He was for the future of America, and what they could do to better it. He also liked the idea of having brains and money behind the gov’t. This is a good idea, America didn’t have time to train the uneducated people to run the gov’t. The jobs need to be done and done right the first time. He also had an economic plan and was largely concerned with the debt from the war. Which was a issue that needed to be resolved. He wanted a strong central government which was greatly needed at that time. And i belive he had a desire to be president.
This is why I would choose Hamilton.
and im glad at least one person picked Jefferson, poor guy. hahah.
I would pick Hamliton because i agree more with his ideas of the government, he was thinking more in the future and how we keep the government together. One main idea was that the more educated citizens should have a higher vote over those that could easily be swayed to vote for anything. Hamliton was like our first presidents and they worked well so why should we change?
okay, first: why was cuteness a major deciding factor in this? haha. they are both old and dead… but that’s an interesting observation guys haha. anyway. back to the question….
Hamilton is clearly the better choice in my eyes. no doubt. no questions. Hamilton has the right idea of building a good, strong central government as a priority. With strong states but no unity, it would be crazy and the end result would be us living in the “country of New Jersey”. getting the smart, educated politicians behind him was a great idea. as a semi-new country, we couldn’t afford to make mistakes on much of anything because we were seen as a vulnerable inexperienced country. also, Hamilton’s debt idea was brilliant. when we need allies and we owe 1 million to france, they won’t cooperate very well. its much better to pay your debts off and we need to be seen as responsible and dependable. as history unfolded, a lot of ideas that Hamilton had are used today. in some ways his ideas made the future world power we are today, because we were strong on the inside first before the outside.
i know this isnt necessary but i do have reasons for not choosing Jefferson. in a lot of ways it seemed like Jefferson was like a five year old trying to play with the big boys. first off, his theory on who should run the government was clearly not thought through. THE MORE THE MERRIER
?!!!?!? do you know how dumb and devious some people are???? as said before… under Jefferson’s plan we would be living in New Jersey, the country. oh and i want to know why a bank of the US would be unconstitutional. as far as his views on war goes, war is never healthy. never. Jefferson didn’t seem to be level-headed enough to run this brand new government.
by the way, you guys were so entertaining. truly hilarious! great job everyone.
i would also have to pick hamilton. His plan for the government being run by aristocrates would truely be the best way for it to work. When people have money that allows them to spend their time expanding intellectually. Well educated people are necessary because they understand what is going on and can form their own opinions. it is these people who can come up with new ideas taht will work for the government.
Mrs. Eakin should be proud, it’s only a little bit after 9, so I’m beating the deadline pretty good. I have to start by saying that out of Jefferson and Hamilton, Stephen Colbert is the better person, no doubt. But since that answer won’t get me an A, I will agree with the majority and say that Hamilton is definitely better. His views on actual equality are a great way to “raise” a country, especially a new one. In my opinion, you should keep the public stupid so they do not notice you taking advantage of them and then they revolt. Keep that last statement on the blog just in case I do rule the USA.
Jefferson’s strict interpretation of the constitution is tolerable, but it has been a difficult thing. An example is when he was offered an expansion of the US and he declined, because there was no mention of doubling the country. Although the two of these men are very well qualified, Hamilton would be my vote. He was educated, he cared about the advancement of the country, he cared about the growth of the citizens, and he can take a gunshot like a man (a dead man).
Now I have to watch the part of American Idol where they show a montage of transvestites singing.
On this I would have to vote go with Hamilton’s opinions. I think that the idea to have wealthier and highly educated people running the country is a good one because they have the time to worry about the affairs of the country where as the less wealthy have to worry about where their next paycheck is coming from and how they are going to put food on the table. It is also good to have highly educated people running our government because they have learned about what other people have done wrong in the past.
My vote goes to Hamilton. He had well thought out ideas that apply to the future. Jefferson’s ideas were more toward just then. Also Jefferson was pro strong state government. This is a bad idea. If states get too much power they tend to want to control everything. With a stronger national government holding power, the states are under control. On another note, Hamilton knew that the government would be better run by educated men and women. It just so happens that the educated people of that time were wealthy. He wasnt trying to strereotype anyone, thats just how it was. Jefferson would have let anyone run the government and this really would have been bad.
wheww… i almost forgot
anyways Hamilton seemed to have the better ideas for a government. He knew that mainly the educated would understand more about the government so thats who he put in there with him. He looked for those things that would help our country in the future so he was looking ahead.. a good thing. Hamilton seemed like he knew what he was doing, and Jefferson would have put anyone with that office in there with him weather they knew what they were doing or not.
wow i just typed this whole thing and it didn’t work so here i go again…
i think Hamilton had the better ideas for our government. He put the educated in offices with him and he looked at the future and knew that there was going to have to be some changes which he made, he was a very smart man and knew what he was doing. Jefferson wanted states to have a strong government rather then the nation as a whole, with Hamilton it was the opposite he wanted a strong centralized government and the states a smaller lesser government, so even though Jefferson is that dude, Hamilton was the better one in my opinion
if I had to choose between Hamilton and Jefferson I would choose Hamilton. I like Hamiltons ideals much better than jeffersons. Hamilton wanted to pay back the national debts that we owed which was the right thing to try and do. By paying back our debts, it gives other countries confidence in us that if they loan us money we will be able to pay it back to them.
Do you know how hard it was to just do this during 6th on my iPod while mrs. J is talking?? I should get credit just for that!! Haha
If i had to choose between jefferson and hamilton i would chosse hamilton.He was very well planned and had great ideas for the future of the country. He wanted to pay back our national debt and this in the eyes of other countries would make us more trustworthy.Hamilton also wanted a strong centralized goverment other that strong state government like jefferson. With a strong central government it would bond our country as a whole while strong state government would tear us apart.
I think Jefferson would be the better choice because I like his ideas about the weak central government and a strong state government. I think the states should have more control. I also don’t like the fact that Hamilton was really into big business, i think if we didnt have as much industry we wouldnt have as much polution.